Ren'Py Life's Payback [v0.7] [Vinkawa]

[TigerWolfe]

Shit talking another game isn't a good look dev. Just run your own race.

 

[Vinkawa]

Shit talking another game isn't a good look dev. Just run your own race.

The dude gives his opinion on why the game is better than mine, I give my opinion on why it isn't. If you consider this as shit talking, it's up to you.

 

[Nezron]

Well that's your opinion and I respect it. But once again, when people admit not liking sandboxes and start praising a VN, you know it's gonna be a one-way conversation.
I've had 5 negative feedbacks so far, I'm pretty lucky. 100% of them say in the first lines they're not sandboxes fan.

Do yourself a favor and put that god damn "sandbox" in the excluded tags, ffs.

Also, Cosy Cafe bro ? That game is well known for its sus rating boost and its cliche characters(shy/slut/bullied), and I find it way more boring than my game. 10 fucking days and still no sex scene, we prefer not to have our dick in our hand more than 45 min for nothing here, I respect people's time in my game.
Also I think my Lucie has more personality than any of his protags, but that's just my opinion.
And for the rest of my characters, well I'm working on it, my game is two months old, his game is 1 year old, see the problem now ? What was the state of this game after 2 months ?
VN enjoyers tend to love a well-structured story not to feel bored quickly, so if you insist on not excluding the sandboxes in the tags, maybe give the devs the necessary time to write it.
Anyway, no anger, that's just my thoughts.

I didn't want to upset you... you seem upset. Well as far a Cosy Cafe, I played it from the beginning... liked it right away. And I have played plenty of sandbox games I did like... just yours is not one of them... sorry.

And this is not about VN vs Sandbox... both types can be bad or good... played plenty in both categories. You talk about giving you time to make the story good and make characters better. well that would imply that either your game will be better later in the storya, but what we have now will not change... or you would be one of those devs that has to redo his game later on. Both are unappealing.. would mean your first part of your game would be what it is now... or you would have to make people wait for new content while you fix the old content.

Look I am not trying to bust your balls here... I know making a game is no easy thing. And I wish you well. But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now before you are too far into the development process... just an idea.

or don't. matters not to me.
peace.

 

[Vinkawa]

I didn't want to upset you... you seem upset. Well as far a Cosy Cafe, I played it from the beginning... liked it right away. And I have played plenty of sandbox games I did like... just yours is not one of them... sorry.

And this is not about VN vs Sandbox... both types can be bad or good... played plenty in both categories. You talk about giving you time to make the story good and make characters better. well that would imply that either your game will be better later in the storya, but what we have now will not change... or you would be one of those devs that has to redo his game later on. Both are unappealing.. would mean your first part of your game would be what it is now... or you would have to make people wait for new content while you fix the old content.

Look I am not trying to bust your balls here... I know making a game is no easy thing. And I wish you well. But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now before you are too far into the development process... just an idea.

or don't. matters not to me.
peace.

Once again here comes that uninspired "did I hurt your feelings" bullshit.
No you did not, I simply disagree with the way you're phrasing it. Polishing the story to the existing questline and adding character's depth is as easy as removing the grind system by adding non-sexual interactions between H-scenes, which is the direction i'm taking now.
"But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now", see, this is the typical self-centered profile who thinks I have to fix anything.
No I don't, the game is having a great success and will remain as it is.

 

[Lerd0]

 

[Acedius]

i think the dev made a smart move filling the game with h scenes first to attract supporters... they can work on the story when they please as long they have a following. this game is good and can't wait to see more

 

[Vinkawa]

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Get yourself a bigger box. People will come here every 14 days being persuaded that a majority thinks like them, and I'll always be here to remind them of the difference between opinions and facts.

i think the dev made a smart move filling the game with h scenes first to attract supporters... they can work on the story when they please as long they have a following. this game is good and can't wait to see more

These people have 0 knowledge of how a market works. They think we can spend 70% of the workflow in the stroy telling, and the 30% remaining in the animations, giving you a total of 5 scenes as we reach the v0.7 instead of the actual 49 ones.
What a great feeling to see people like you having the absolute basic common sense on how the porn game industry works.

 

[Nezron]

Once again here comes that uninspired "did I hurt your feelings" bullshit.
No you did not, I simply disagree with the way you're phrasing it. Polishing the story to the existing questline and adding character's depth is as easy as removing the grind system by adding non-sexual interactions between H-scenes, which is the direction i'm taking now.
"But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now", see, this is the typical self-centered profile who thinks I have to fix anything.
No I don't, the game is having a great success and will remain as it is.

Once again here comes that uninspired "did I hurt your feelings" bullshit.
No you did not, I simply disagree with the way you're phrasing it. Polishing the story to the existing questline and adding character's depth is as easy as removing the grind system by adding non-sexual interactions between H-scenes, which is the direction i'm taking now.
"But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now", see, this is the typical self-centered profile who thinks I have to fix anything.
No I don't, the game is having a great success and will remain as it is.

I won't bother you with my "Bullshit self-centered" opinions anymore.
Have a great life.
peace

 

[Vinkawa]

I won't bother you with my "Bullshit self-centered" opinions anymore.
Have a great life.
peace

Thanks man you too.
I hope you'll end up finding that next Agatha Christie's story while browsing a porn games website.

 

[oyeh]

After I modified the archive, it became unreadable. How can I modify the archive?

 

[Igorhgq]

Get yourself a bigger box. People will come here every 14 days being persuaded that a majority thinks like them, and I'll always be here to remind them of the difference between opinions and facts.

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These people have 0 knowledge of how a market works. They think we can spend 70% of the workflow in the stroy telling, and the 30% remaining in the animations, giving you a total of 5 scenes as we reach the v0.7 instead of the actual 49 ones.
What a great feeling to see people like you having the absolute basic common sense on how the porn game industry works.

Destructive criticism and one side suggestion based on opinions disguised as facts help no one. So much games derail because the dev bend the knee to theses morons.

"But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now" , the balls to say that to dev of a free porn game, its actually impressive.

"It is an important skill to ignore idiots but in hobby and professional life."

Vinkawa folow you passion and good luck with the game.

 

[Vinkawa]

Destructive criticism and one side suggestion based on opinions disguised as facts help no one. So much games derail because the dev bend the knee to theses morons.

"But if you want to have characters people will like... maybe fix them now" , the balls to say that to dev of a free porn game, its actually impressive.

"It is an important skill to ignore idiots but in hobby and professional life."

Vinkawa folow you passion and good luck with the game.

 

[kendayyyy]

save file 0.6 pls

 

[ClawViper]

not sure how to feel about Lilianne now. her being the cute nun was a good attraction point. but the reveal was a bit of a let down.

Actually the reveal was predictable and logical. If they are trugly "pure" trey can't be corrupted. And if they're not? Well! Why not make it spicy? It's more fun this way.

 

[Parmenion1405]

Regarding Grind and Sandbox. I do not hate this in games per se. I hate bad Sandbox and bad Grind.
As a clarification. Grind can be entertaining and fun, or it can be boring and become a chore. The latter is bad. If you have to repeat the same task over and over again, no diversity and no felt progress. That is in my eyes bad grind. And it is no fun to play. I play games for fun. If a game feels like a chore, I won't play it, cos it is not my understanding of spending my spare time with chore gameplay. I have higher standards for myself and the games I play.
And this often comes along with bad Sandbox style games. If the Sandbox game is the way that you have to visit a specific location on a specific date at a specific time and there is no tell when this happens, it's bad Sandbox-Style. And most hated (I guess) if such events are needed to progress the overall story. If it's only a side story or something optional, I can overlook such style. But if you need the event to trigger to progress the whole story and trigger the next events, it's difficult to swallow. To be there at this time on this day, and I (the dev) will give you no hint at all, so it takes longer to find it and prolong the gameplay this way.
Combine both and you have an awful Sandbox game. (I forgot to mention the lack of story most of these bad Sandbox games have)
If the Grind has diversity to it, the Game gives you clues and hints when to be where, and you feel some kind of progression. If the grind tells you a story. That is totally fine with me, and I won't mind playing it. TBH, the majority of Sandbox games I tried for myself would be in between both of the extremes. But some of them I quit very soon because the updates increasingly shifted in a bad direction. I cannot appreciate a game when it feels like work to play it. And i guess that's what spoiled this type of game for numerous people.

I am not sure if this is accurate or subjectively correct, but it is what I have experienced and how I feel about Sandbox games with grinding elements.

Just my 2 cent.

Edit: Misspellings, some wording, one addition (italic letters)

 

[Vinkawa]

Regarding Grind and Sandbox. I do not hate this in games per se. I hate bad Sandbox and bad Grind.
As a clarification. Grind can be entertaining and fun, or it can be boring and become a chore. The latter is bad. If you have to repeat the same task over and over again, no diversity and no felt progress. That is in my eyes bad grind. And it is no fun to play. I play games for fun. If a game feels like a chore, I won't play it, cos it is not my understanding of spending my spare time with chore gameplay. I have higher standards for myself and the games I play.
And this often comes along with bad Sandbox style games. If the Sandbox game is the way that you have to visit a specific location on a specific date at a specific time and there is no tell when this happens, it's bad Sandbox-Style. And most hated (I guess) if such events are needed to progress the overall story. If it's only a side story or something optional, I can overlook such style. But if you need the event to trigger to progress the whole story and trigger the next events, it's difficult to swallow. To be there at this time on this day, and I (the dev) will give you no hint at all, so it takes longer to find it and prolong the gameplay this way.
Combine both and you have an awful Sandbox game. (I forgot to mention the lack of story most of these bad Sandbox games have)
If the Grind has diversity to it, the Game gives you clues and hints when to be where, and you feel some kind of progression. If the grind tells you a story. That is totally fine with me, and I won't mind playing it. TBH, the majority of Sandbox games I tried for myself would be in between both of the extremes. But some of them I quit very soon because the updates increasingly shifted in a bad direction. I cannot appreciate a game when it feels like work to play it. And i guess that's what spoiled this type of game for numerous people.

I am not sure if this is accurate or subjectively correct, but it is what I have experienced and how I feel about Sandbox games with grinding elements.

Just my 2 cent.

Edit: Misspellings, some wording, one addition (italic letters)

Well, it's hard to tell if you have tried my game by reading your post. I see your personal taste on sandboxes but I don't see it on my game.
Anyway, most people love my game, but I still took the decision to eradicate the grind. The influences points are gone for the next version. the grind will tell a story, as you mentioned this method.

 

[Chris2041]

I won't bother you with my "Bullshit self-centered" opinions anymore.
Have a great life.
peace

Who asked ?
If you like history centered games thats right good for you , but when i play porn games i like the game part of them im tired of VN thats like read a book whit some porn scenes in here you people have to realize that some of us like the more arcade feel of games like these im bored of the VN also the majority of historys in them are more thrilled than the japanese whit theyr isekais so yeah i prefer games whit sandbox ( when they are good of course not the grindy ones ) so yeah come at me VN enjoyer im going to throw a porn book to your head XD .

 

[Parmenion1405]

Well, it's hard to tell if you have tried my game by reading your post. I see your personal taste on sandboxes but I don't see it on my game.
Anyway, most people love my game, but I still took the decision to eradicate the grind. The influences points are gone for the next version. the grind will tell a story, as you mentioned this method.

I played your game, and I would say as many games, it is in between the extreme. Some parts I do like and some I find a little bothersome, but not enough to quit yet. My Post was more meant as a general statement regarding Sandboxgames.

Some Example outside VN/Porn games: I really enjoy playing 7 Days 2 Die. A pure Sandbox game with very little story. But the Progress and the Grind is worth the while. But on the Same, I get bored by it frequently. So I switched to more Story focused Games like baldus gate 3 (which has although sandbox elements, but they are in bedded in a quite deep and engaging story - and not the core mechanic, in contrast to games like 7 Days 2 Die)
Games like Factorio, Dyson Sphere Program can entertain me, but I could not spend months of spare time in a row on them, i occasionally play them for 10-20h (separated on multiple days/weeks) than I switch to some games more story related. I have played the Dragon Age Games, all three, for more than 3k hours. Multiple walkthroughs, and sometimes I sank 50 or more hours in a row in them because I was so enchanted with the story and the possibilities. But i never ever got to like Minecraft, The Sims and similar games like them. Or some Farming Sims.

I do not know if I could explain my thoughts and feelings to an understandable degree, but as a non-native that's the best I could do.

 

[Vinkawa]

I played your game, and I would say as many games, it is in between the extreme. Some parts I do like and some I find a little bothersome, but not enough to quit yet. My Post was more meant as a general statement regarding Sandboxgames.

Some Example outside VN/Porn games: I really enjoy playing 7 Days 2 Die. A pure Sandbox game with very little story. But the Progress and the Grind is worth the while. But on the Same, I get bored by it frequently. So I switched to more Story focused Games like baldus gate 3 (which has although sandbox elements, but they are in bedded in a quite deep and engaging story - and not the core mechanic, in contrast to games like 7 Days 2 Die)
Games like Factorio, Dyson Sphere Program can entertain me, but I could not spend months of spare time in a row on them, i occasionally play them for 10-20h (separated on multiple days/weeks) than I switch to some games more story related. I have played the Dragon Age Games, all three, for more than 3k hours. Multiple walkthroughs, and sometimes I sank 50 or more hours in a row in them because I was so enchanted with the story and the possibilities. But i never ever got to like Minecraft, The Sims and similar games like them. Or some Farming Sims.

I do not know if I could explain my thoughts and feelings to an understandable degree, but as a non-native that's the best I could do.

All good, I think I understood your whole post, I'm non-native too.
Well, hopefully the grind removal for the next version will leave you a better taste.

 

[Nezron]

Who asked ?
If you like history centered games thats right good for you , but when i play porn games i like the game part of them im tired of VN thats like read a book whit some porn scenes in here you people have to realize that some of us like the more arcade feel of games like these im bored of the VN also the majority of historys in them are more thrilled than the japanese whit theyr isekais so yeah i prefer games whit sandbox ( when they are good of course not the grindy ones ) so yeah come at me VN enjoyer im going to throw a porn book to your head XD .

I have no idea what you are talking about. But just to clarify, I have played many Sandbox games I did enjoy, I enjoy a lot of different types of games. And Lifes Payback was not a bad game, just felt characters did not have much personality, so excuse me if I like a bit more than fucking robotic characters. I tried to make some suggestions about this, but the developer did not like that. So anyway... as far as you go... I could not care any less about your opinion. it is just a game. So can we just let it go?

agree to disagree and all that?
peace.